Comments on: Plame and Able Danger: The War Over Information http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/ Rory O'Connor's blog Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:46:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Allan Giles http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-877 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:03:37 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-877 Rory, here is a related blog entry on 'Able Danger' and the bi-partisan nature of the problem. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/25/13223/557 Rory, here is a related blog entry on ‘Able Danger’ and the bi-partisan nature of the problem.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/25/13223/557

]]> by: Rory http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-875 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:47:31 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-875 Timothy: Re the destruction of Able Danger data, the material was not destroyed in 1999, but gathered between then and 2000. According to Tony Shaffer's attorney Mark Zaid, "Eventually during the period December 2000 and March 2001, all records, both electronic and hard copy, were destroyed under orders of the Army. Additionally, we just recently learned that duplicate documentation that was maintained by Lt Col Shaffer at his civilian DIA office was apparently destroyed – for reasons unknown – by DIA in Spring 2004. And Pat, re my supposedly 'administration-specific concern' and your ad hominem allegations about one-sided politics: Please read my earlier post, http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/index.php?p=140 which begins thus: "A bi-partisan effort to hide stunning intelligence failures spanning more than fifteen years and three presidential administrations may explain the puzzling refusal by current Department of Defense officials... Timothy: Re the destruction of Able Danger data, the material was not destroyed in 1999, but gathered between then and 2000. According to Tony Shaffer’s attorney Mark Zaid, “Eventually during the period December 2000 and March 2001, all records, both electronic and hard copy, were destroyed under orders of the Army. Additionally, we just recently learned that duplicate documentation that was maintained by Lt Col Shaffer at his civilian DIA office was apparently destroyed – for reasons unknown – by DIA in Spring 2004.

And Pat, re my supposedly ‘administration-specific concern’ and your ad hominem allegations about one-sided politics: Please read my earlier post,

http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/index.php?p=140

which begins thus: “A bi-partisan effort to hide stunning intelligence failures spanning more than fifteen years and three presidential administrations may explain the puzzling refusal by current Department of Defense officials…

]]> by: pat smith http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-874 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:06:12 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-874 Your concern appears temporal or at least admininstration specific; if Able Danger had developed this intelligence a year prior to 9/11, why didn't the Clinton Administration act on it? As with most information from the parent source, this is an ideological blog full of accusations, short of historical information; welcome to politics of a one sided nature. Your concern appears temporal or at least admininstration specific; if Able Danger had developed this intelligence a year prior to 9/11, why didn’t the Clinton Administration act on it? As with most information from the parent source, this is an ideological blog full of accusations, short of historical information; welcome to politics of a one sided nature.

]]> by: anne winn http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-873 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:31:15 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-873 Empires do not instantaneously implode. First they begin to fray. There are secrets and intrigues. There is infighting, various factions vye for dwindling power, then lose their corrupt grip. The military is stretched thin defending multiple outposts. Resources become scarce. The treasury is systematically looted. Rumors and lies are on everyone's lips, the truth a rare commodity. The people become restless, suspicious of government, then suspicious of each other. Foreign spies abound. External enemies become emboldened. Internal enemies make secret alliances. People become superstitious, fanatical. They cling to religious ritual, as they feel more vulnerable and threatened by circumstances they cannot control. They pray for a savior. When one arrives they murder him. Empires do not instantaneously implode. First they begin to fray. There are secrets and intrigues. There is infighting, various factions vye for dwindling power, then lose their corrupt grip. The military is stretched thin defending multiple outposts. Resources become scarce. The treasury is systematically looted. Rumors and lies are on everyone’s lips, the truth a rare commodity.
The people become restless, suspicious of government, then suspicious of each other. Foreign spies abound. External enemies become emboldened. Internal enemies make secret alliances.
People become superstitious, fanatical. They cling to religious ritual, as they feel more vulnerable and threatened by circumstances they cannot control.
They pray for a savior. When one arrives they murder him.

]]> by: Timothy Michel http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-872 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:59:16 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2005/10/23/plame-and-able-danger-the-war-over-information/#comment-872 Wasn't the Abel Danger data destroyed in 1999? If it was destroyed post 9/11 2001, the significance would be exponentially greater. Wasn’t the Abel Danger data destroyed in 1999? If it was destroyed post 9/11 2001, the significance would be exponentially greater.

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