Comments on: The Not-So-Great Debate http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/ Rory O'Connor's blog Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:47:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Robert M. Cerello http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68111 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:19:49 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68111 Barack Obama is an able spkesman for inspiration, but not change. Hillary Clinton is no John edwards; but she is the safer choice by far. Te Democratic candidate doesn't ned a game plan--all she/he has to do s toi commit to reversing every totalitarian idiocy, fraud, lie, failure and satist tyranny committed by Republican untruths, dogma and impracticality in the last fifty years. I wish t were John Edwards doing it, who knows a good bit of what's wrong ewihout our constitution,d ead since 1994. Hllary is much sounder on every plan. In a ahoice between competence with lowered charisma and charisma with lowered competence, I'll take the former every time. And I suspect so will the nation's voters. Barack Obama is an able spkesman for inspiration, but not change. Hillary Clinton is no John edwards; but she is the safer choice by far. Te Democratic candidate doesn’t ned a game plan–all she/he has to do s toi commit to reversing every totalitarian idiocy, fraud, lie, failure and satist tyranny committed by Republican untruths, dogma and impracticality in the last fifty years. I wish t were John Edwards doing it, who knows a good bit of what’s wrong ewihout our constitution,d ead since 1994. Hllary is much sounder on every plan. In a ahoice between competence with lowered charisma and charisma with lowered competence, I’ll take the former every time. And I suspect so will the nation’s voters.

]]> by: Dominick J. http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68107 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:47:51 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68107 Senator Clinton did a fine job in her debate with Barack. She was right on point. His plan to give illegals a drivers license met with a good response and good challange from Hillary. She has a plan for just about everything. The change, Barak is always harping on, would be to get the GOP to go along with the other side of the aisle and vise versa. We have a two party system and everyone in this country should have a voice. It will be nice though to have Democrat strength for a change, just to show those Rethugs how this two party system is suppose to work! Senator Clinton did a fine job in her debate with Barack. She was right on point. His plan to give illegals a drivers license met with a good response and good challange from Hillary. She has a plan for just about everything. The change, Barak is always harping on, would be to get the GOP to go along with the other side of the aisle and vise versa. We have a two party system and everyone in this country should have a voice. It will be nice though to have Democrat strength for a change, just to show those Rethugs how this two party system is suppose to work!

]]> by: steeve http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68101 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:10:47 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68101 How did Obama "win" on Iraq if he's supposed to differentiate his policies with Hillary's? They both have the same position NOW. I can defend Hillary's position even if she can't. The Iraq War Resolution was a resounding success, forcing the inspectors back in who were doing their jobs and finding out the truth. Then Bush pulled out the rug from under them. How did Obama “win” on Iraq if he’s supposed to differentiate his policies with Hillary’s? They both have the same position NOW.

I can defend Hillary’s position even if she can’t. The Iraq War Resolution was a resounding success, forcing the inspectors back in who were doing their jobs and finding out the truth. Then Bush pulled out the rug from under them.

]]> by: westernbuddha http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68091 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:15:59 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68091 In my humble opinion Barack is starting to believe his own hype,the second coming as it were.Hillary may not be the best, but she has depth and offers more than flowery rhetoric. Barack is a powerful orator and with that he has an awesome and special responsibility a great orator can move people to action and change history and yes they can deceive and while singing the sirans song . we must be more alert to what the orator is saying and where the power of the word is leading. it is imperative to glean what what can of the nature of the person, to focus on the person and not to surrender to the power of the word. to assess and try to measure the spirit and conviction through deed as well as word. I personally feel Barack the person does not match up with the sweeping glorious hopeful speeches that seem at odds with the deeds he has used his wonderful speeches to hurl sharply barbed words at his opponent and then cry foul when he is called on it. he seems to hide in his words and feign being besieged and put upon, and then the defenders come forward and give him cover. Barack has already gotten away with as much as Bush jr. when he ran for the office those years ago. I ask in fairness can anybody criticize Obama without a knee jerk defensive reaction to protect him .Yes I see signs of racism in this campaign but it seems to be from the most liberal elements of the party who feel that he must be protected from the words and observations of others .Let him stand on his own let every subject be discussed let the American public move ahead in an open and frank process. let the chains of racism and political correctness be forever broken. let this campaign set us all free. If this is to be the dawning of a new day in America let us be sure to be direct let us not pull any punches let us exorcize the demons that have plagued us from the start and look at one another eye to eye judging only by the content of a mans soul. we can be better we can make history but we must admit conflict. we must speak the truth openly and freely without regard to pressure from the right or left. we must once again reclaim the moral high ground and wrest it from the likes of "Move on dot org." "swift boat veterans," "Rush Limbaugh","Al Sharpton," and all the others who claim ownership of the moral high ground in America . I will listen and respect anybody who has placed it all on the line for a better nation and not a headline if that were the case Britteny Spears should be the nations Guru. I love this country and divergent thought the longer one lives the more we realize that right and wrong good and bad are balanced by honesty and truth. freedom to speak openly. without being a member of a team ! freedom to raise the tough questions and more important a willingness to Listen to the answers and grow through the conversation .I have found that however far apart we are that when people have a willingness to respect the others point of view free from the shackles of ideology open to change and belief in the ability of humans to eliminate the ego ( I am right not you ) or the artificial bonds of the collective ( my team is right not yours )We are all made better for it. what we see in politics is no different than the foolhardy who blindly obcess on a sports team to the point of injury to the non believers . this is a pivotal point in the American revolution. will we listen, debate on the merits of the issues, or shall we bond with a team and always cheer that team. Shall we chastise demonize and dehumanize the other. have we grown ? are we ready to have a true discussion, and evaluate each issue with an open mind, willing to listen and learn from each and every candidate .Shall we continue to let the media and the leeches who feed off the notoriety and ratings frame the debate for us. My friends this debate is about an evolutionary process it is about avoiding the mental and spiritual traps.It is about America coming of age. not republican bad democrat good or any other false issue it is about hearing truth asking the tough questions and in the end respect for other points of view since we all share the same needs and we may all find differing ways to help meet those needs but but when we stiffel speech we are all held back from what we are meant to be and take our place in the ongoing history of mankind . In my humble opinion Barack is starting to believe his own hype,the second coming as it were.Hillary may not be the best, but she has depth and offers more than flowery rhetoric. Barack is a powerful orator and with that he has an awesome and special responsibility a great orator can move people to action and change history and yes they can deceive and while singing the sirans song . we must be more alert to what the orator is saying and where the power of the word is leading. it is imperative to glean what what can of the nature of the person, to focus on the person and not to surrender to the power of the word. to assess and try to measure the spirit and conviction through deed as well as word. I personally feel Barack the person does not match up with the sweeping glorious hopeful speeches that seem at odds with the deeds he has used his wonderful speeches to hurl sharply barbed words at his opponent and then cry foul when he is called on it. he seems to hide in his words and feign being besieged and put upon, and then the defenders come forward and give him cover. Barack has already gotten away with as much as Bush jr. when he ran for the office those years ago. I ask in fairness can anybody criticize Obama without a knee jerk defensive reaction to protect him .Yes I see signs of racism in this campaign but it seems to be from the most liberal elements of the party who feel that he must be protected from the words and observations of others .Let him stand on his own let every subject be discussed let the American public move ahead in an open and frank process. let the chains of racism and political correctness be forever broken. let this campaign set us all free. If this is to be the dawning of a new day in America let us be sure to be direct let us not pull any punches let us exorcize the demons that have plagued us from the start and look at one another eye to eye judging only by the content of a mans soul. we can be better we can make history but we must admit conflict. we must speak the truth openly and freely without regard to pressure from the right or left. we must once again reclaim the moral high ground and wrest it from the likes of “Move on dot org.” “swift boat veterans,” “Rush Limbaugh”,”Al Sharpton,” and all the others who claim ownership of the moral high ground in America . I will listen and respect anybody who has placed it all on the line for a better nation and not a headline if that were the case Britteny Spears should be the nations Guru. I love this country and divergent thought the longer one lives the more we realize that right and wrong good and bad are balanced by honesty and truth. freedom to speak openly. without being a member of a team ! freedom to raise the tough questions and more important a willingness to Listen to the answers and grow through the conversation .I have found that however far apart we are that when people have a willingness to respect the others point of view free from the shackles of ideology open to change and belief in the ability of humans to eliminate the ego ( I am right not you ) or the artificial bonds of the collective ( my team is right not yours )We are all made better for it. what we see in politics is no different than the foolhardy who blindly obcess on a sports team to the point of injury to the non believers . this is a pivotal point in the American revolution. will we listen, debate on the merits of the issues, or shall we bond with a team and always cheer that team. Shall we chastise demonize and dehumanize the other. have we grown ? are we ready to have a true discussion, and evaluate each issue with an open mind, willing to listen and learn from each and every candidate .Shall we continue to let the media and the leeches who feed off the notoriety and ratings frame the debate for us. My friends this debate is about an evolutionary process it is about avoiding the mental and spiritual traps.It is about America coming of age. not republican bad democrat good or any other false issue it is about hearing truth asking the tough questions and in the end respect for other points of view since we all share the same needs and we may all find differing ways to help meet those needs but but when we stiffel speech we are all held back from what we are meant to be and take our place in the ongoing history of mankind .

]]> by: Frank http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68089 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:11:45 +0000 http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/02/01/the-not-so-great-debate/#comment-68089 Obama will be RIGHT from day one? That strikes me as he's saying he will be like Bush in his decision making. Bush's problem from day one has always been he wanted only yes men, no naysayers or fencesitters in the middle. I believe Obama realized his political faux pas when he said later he wanted people around him who would say no, "Because I'm not going to be right on every issue!" I'd hope he meant what he said because Obama sounded like a Bush in Democratic clothing. We don't need another Bush wrecking the country, nor do we need a Bush-like presidency. Obama will be RIGHT from day one? That strikes me as he’s saying he will be like Bush in his decision making. Bush’s problem from day one has always been he wanted only yes men, no naysayers or fencesitters in the middle. I believe Obama realized his political faux pas when he said later he wanted people around him who would say no, “Because I’m not going to be right on every issue!” I’d hope he meant what he said because Obama sounded like a Bush in Democratic clothing. We don’t need another Bush wrecking the country, nor do we need a Bush-like presidency.

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